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This is bigger than anything we have done at this speed ever. No, no, no, no, no. We also keep you in touch with social media, science and entertainment trends. But a lot of what has to happen here, including once the money is given out, is that things we do know how to build get built, and they get built really fast, and they get built at this crazy scale. We totally agree. I mean, that is . And a lot of the importance of hydrogen kind of comes back to that attribute of it. How Americans use English grammar in everyday conversation. Wagner Group VAHG-NER GROOP Kakhovka (dam) KA-HOV-KAH Chisinau KISH-IN-NOW: Li Qiang become harder, less profitable, et cetera? I think they are right, and I think I would make two broad observations. Its going to be a little controversial because if you actually go look at her online presence, she can be quite harsh toward renewables. Its called A Time for Triage, and he has this sort of interesting argument that the environmental movement in general, in his view, is engaged in something he calls trade-off denial. Its the Federal government who gives away the money. regulations that require utilities to do certain things with the I.R.A. Its just that on the one hand, people have moved to saying we do not have the laws, right, the permitting laws, the procurement laws to do this at the speed were promising, and we need to fix that. Stephanie Sy, Ian Couzens Well, its not a logical disconnect because they would say to be fair to them, right, they would say there are other ways to decarbonize. And they just seem to think we dont. VOA - Voice of America, i ting ni Hoa K, l mt ngun tin tc a phng tin do chnh ph M ti tr v pht sng. We can get into that. Its cousin, the California Environmental Quality Act, gets a lot of attention. Exactly. Robinson Meyer offers a progress check on the Inflation Reduction Act and Americas path toward lower emissions. is a false solution, that it will not actually fight climate change. This week on The Dose podcast, guest host Rachel Bervell speaks with Dr. Jamila Taylor, president and CEO of the National WIC Association, the nonprofit voice of the federal program that provides nutritious foods to more than 6.3 million women, infants, and children. EZRA KLEIN: So the reason I ask about these estimates is when I talked to the administration, one thing they are excited about, one thing the authors of this law are excited about, theyre getting these estimates which have some information coming into them from private sector take-up. Youre going to be able to make a ton of money doing these things building wind, building solar, whatever. Agencies have to write the regulations for all these tax credits. Its a great book. English @ the Movies is a short video explaining a term heard in a current movie. And ultimately, the way many, many of these red-state governors see it is that these are just businesses. Their core programs, they just redefined and streamlined in the name of speeding them up. Now, depending on other numbers, including the D.O.E., its potentially as high as $100 billion, but thats because the whole thing about the I.R.A. Learn about an influential person in America: Anne Lindbergh. Millard Fillmore? Were not talking wind there. The point of the government should be to bear quite a bit of risk . Its not all the small Earth model. Previously known as Special English. EZRA KLEIN: I mean, a lot of these groups say, the Audubon Society in different states has actually just fought a lot of renewable energy , EZRA KLEIN: infrastructure because wind turbines are often bad for birds. And thats how we get to this point where were 311 days out from the I.R.A. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. trained off of the IRA and had it answer questions for you. Read Article:Words and Their Stories: Down to Earth. That is preventing the environmental movement from calling industrys bluff here because industry says, oh, we need C.C.S. Youre demanding faster, but youre not really increasing capacity that much. ROBINSON MEYER: Exactly. Its about the economics of climate change, and its by, I would say, probably my favorite economist. Nordhaus was the famous economist. And, yeah, they may be doing something that at the national level we dont think we should be subsidizing, but were happy to help you come to our state and contribute to our states business environment, and well , When you say theyre giving away the money . EZRA KLEIN: such that maybe the easiest concern here, which is the concern where this will actually be used to add a bunch of fossil fuel infrastructure, we have concocted a permitting speedway for projects that are named essential to climate change. Stories are written at the intermediate and upper-beginner level and are read one-third slower than regular VOA English. Permission to build in 2028. And a lot of the importance of hydrogen kind of comes back to that attribute of it. So what could we get out of this process, both sides? And it also has to get the easiest NEPA reviews done in one year and the hardest NEPA reviews done in two years. Learn English as you read and listen to the show Making of a Nation: The Heart of the Constitution. And basically, Manchins bill is a set of largely moderate reforms to the NEPA process that well describe in a second because most of them eventually pass, but it also includes a number of reforms to the process of building new electricity transmission, which, basically, we need to make it easier to build transmission in order to fight climate change. But I think youre absolutely right that its something where we know it is physically possible for many of these applications, but it is not being done at scale, and its certainly not being done at the scale of a national economy. happen on time, and this is how were going to decide what is a kind of project that gets this speedway through, whatever. Focusing on technology, education, agriculture, economics, and health. Download free MP3s or listen online. They are read at a slower pace than VOA's other English broadcasts. And that means you actually have to allow carbon capture facilities to get built and you have to create a legal process that will allow carbon capture facilities to get built. Lets call that the last 20 percent risk . ROBINSON MEYER: And lets talk about that in a second because I think that is actually a key issue at play here. What would you give us, China? But if youve got questions youd like to hear answered on the show, send them to ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com with A.M.A. Real English Conversations: Amy Whitney & Curtis Davies - English Lessons, Speak English with ESLPod.com - 3 New Lessons a Week, Go Natural English Podcast | Listening & Speaking Lessons, English in a Minute - VOA Learning English, Words and Their Stories - VOA Learning English, Science & Technology - VOA Learning English. Luke's ENGLISH Podcast TRANSCRIPTS On this page you can see a list of the episodes that have transcripts. They have less ways to make money. Were definitely going to be doing final assembly of batteries in the US. can only look at the number of electrolyzers, kind of the existing hydrogen infrastructure in the country, and be like, well, theyre probably all going to use these tax credits. And what do we just not know about yet? ROBINSON MEYER: I think theres two things going on here, and I think, to some degree, the law is actually a little undecided. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. The kind of average NEPA Environmental Impact Study today is 500 pages and takes 4.5 years to produce. Sugar plays an outsized role in what many eat every day with the average American consuming more than 100 pounds in a year, according to the USDA. Now, I do want to be fair here that Manchins own account of what happened with this bill is that Senate Republicans killed it and that once McConnell failed to negotiate on the bill in December, Manchins bill was dead. The issue is that China subsidized solar manufacturing so much, it became non-cost competitive. And theyre fighting any effort. There are some minerals were not going to be able to get from the United States at all and are going to have to get from our allies and partners across the world. EZRA KLEIN: So thats some of the question of innovation, right, getting the things that we dont yet know how to build and dont yet know how to finance into the world. On today's podcast hear how a short rebellion in Russia heartens Ukrainian forces; listen to the idea that smokey air can hurt gardens; learn about the term "bounce back;" then listen to the story of the 2000 presidential election in our history series. But green hydrogen is something new, and the size of the bet is huge. The last part, to answer your question, is, well, lets say we get the minerals. [SIGHS HEAVILY]: Yes, I think it will be. EZRA KLEIN: They should. One thing we do know pretty confidently is that the initial C.B.O. . We have to fix this. EZRA KLEIN: So one oddity about the Inflation Reduction Act, or at least the climate side of it, is we dont really know how big it is. I think at the same time, theres a ton of technology. And in addition to that, what are three other books they should read? given the procedural work they have to go through. How can I access to last year episode's? So I think everyone is obsessed with permitting because I think everyone has realized, partially as a result of your work, that any kind of infrastructure, including whether were talking about highways, whether were talking about solar farms, whether were talking about large-scale factories that requires any kind of federal input and any kind of federal authority, but also many kinds of infrastructure that are happening at the state level, where states have their parallel permitting processes, it can take years to actually get them permitted. subsidies work is that they will eventually be administered by the I.R.S., but first the Department of the Treasury has to write the guidebook for all these subsidies, right? Learning English programs use a limited vocabulary and short sentences. is meant to get us all the way to net zero, then it is not capable of that. Buenos Das Amrica - Episodios - Voz de Amrica You need all this innovation. Thats partially because of local permitting laws. You sound like you think thats bad. So theres a mansion sidecar process that fails. Learn English as you read and listen to a weekly show about a major story in the news. Can we do that? And this doesnt do that. Yes, exactly. So thats the meta question Im asking here. cant generation shift. The I.R.A. itself would require. will need to do legally in order to finally pass muster and get Clean Air Act rules past the Supreme Court, which is to say it is possible to build a C.C.S. The first book is called The End of the World by Peter Brannen. Georgia Used Terrorism Law To Detain Activists Protesting Police I dont think people think a lot about who is cutting these checks, but a lot of it is happening in this very obscure office of the Department of Energy, the Loan Program Office, which has gone from having $40 billion in lending authority, which is already a big boost over it not existing a couple decades ago, to $400 billion in loan authority, Jigar Shah, who is not a household name but has become a very, very important figure in climate money. And, of course, the farm bill would include a package of subsidies, including a sugar program. Theres another thing called green hydrogen, which is where we take water, use electrolyzers on it, basically zap it apart, take the hydrogen from the water, and then use that as a fuel. As you make the investment to replace the technology, its going to cost money. I think thats part of what theyre worried about. And he explains how one kind of triggered the next one. Were like, this is amazing. Voice of America: Category: News & Entertainment TV & Radio: Country/Region: United States : Popularity: What does VOA mean? EZRA KLEIN: One, I think, reasonable critique you hear on this from Democrats or from the left or from someone is that if you want to have all of these reviews happening, and you want them faster, and were rapidly expanding build-out, then what you need is a lot more personnel. You must put CSS infrastructure on every power plant, on every factory that burns fossil fuels, on everything.. So, like, what would it look like to kind of get this as something that majorities in both parties would support, but would be very tricky for any party to move by itself? So when we look at sectors of the economy that are going to be quite hard to decarbonize and thats because there is something about fossil fuels chemically that is essential to how that sector works either because they provide combustion heat and steelmaking, or because fossil fuels are actually a chemical feedstock where the molecules in the fossil fuel are going into the product, or because fossil fuels are so energy dense that you can carry a lot of energy while actually not carrying that much mass any of those places, thats where we look at hydrogen as going. Thats the problem weve diagnosed. And it imposes all these huge, high end-tail risks and that blocking those tail risks is actually the main thing we want to do with climate policy. You have EVs. You havent gotten us the community solar bonus. Their core programs, they just redefined and streamlined in the name of speeding them up. Download free MP3s or listen online. Although most of the sugar that is farmed in the United States is mechanized, it's still harvested by hands in many areas of the United States today. ROBINSON MEYER: I think thats right, but I also want to say here that . Every Tuesday and Friday, Ezra Klein invites you into a conversation about something that matters, like todays episode with Robinson Meyer. They would have liked to see a different decarbonization path taken too. So their view is that under this system, its simply not possible to build the amount of decarbonization infrastructure we need at the pace we need it; that no amount of streamlining NEPA or streamlining, in California, CEQA will get you there; that we basically have been operating under what they call an environmental Grand Bargain dating back to the 70s, where we built all of these processes to slow things down and to clean up the air and clean up the water. - Episodes And one possibility here is that we wind up importing a ton of cathodes and anodes from China, putting them into US-made batteries, putting them into batteries with like 60 percent domestic content, and then selling them and repackaging them as US lithium ion batteries. I think were going to build a ton of wind and solar. That can mean, in some cases, factory farms that use federal loans. International Edition delivers insight into world news through eye-witnesses, correspondent reports and analysis from experts and news makers. It doesnt have to change the decision because of the study. What could be possible is that progressives and Democrats and the EPA turns around and says, Oh, thats fine. I like the making a nation part most. For instance, the C.B.O. - Episodes Hunter Biden and his daughter during the White House Easter Egg Roll on April 18. Ive covered a lot of policy fights, and a huge problem in how policy coverage is done is there is all this attention to the fight to pass a bill the Affordable Care Act, the Trump tax cuts, the Inflation Reduction Act. Solyndra was a disaster for the Department of Energy. I think, first of all, red states have been more enthusiastic about getting the money. But getting to net zero was not even a possibility in 2022. ROBINSON MEYER: Totally. I dont want to say literally nobody, but you werent hearing it, including in the climate discussion. Were like, this is amazing. Each week, The Inside Story provides a wide and deep examination of one issue in the news, using VOAs worldwide reporting strength. The second book might be a little outdated now, but its called Climate Shock by Gernot Wagner and Marty Weitzman. There are more episodes (after episode 412) which have scripts too. Implementation is where all this rubber meets the road, and thats particularly true on the I.R.A., which has to build all these things in the real world. We dont know how to infuse it into all the processes that we need to be infused into. which I cant even quite figure out what they were saying was happening there. ROBINSON MEYER: It died in both places. They point to Jennifer Granholm, the secretary of energy, giving this speech in California where shes basically asked, how can California get more of this money? You ended up having around a decade of fighting and over 1,000 pages of California Environmental Quality Act review to add bike lanes, just like an obviously good thing for the environment. VOAs live worldwide international music request show with host Larry London. Totally. Lets be really clear. 4. Not at all, especially not progressives. And one of the things that has been an interesting dynamic to watch is I would say the rhetoric on permitting has moved at light speed, a kind of speed you almost never see in policy and government, right? OK, thats fair. Thats kind of a signal to industry that everyone should plan around those years as well. That was a large economic transition happening in the 70s and 80s, and it dovetailed really nicely with the environmental grand bargain. In fact, they had documents showing that the companies had budgeted only $3 per ton, when, in fact, they should have been budgeting over $5 per ton, if they were paying what the U.S. government had said that they had to pay. I think the other thing is that these states, many of them, are right-to-work states. I mean, even the example you gave of Louisiana, you do at least have a Democratic governor there. ROBINSON MEYER: No, no, no. For instance, the most common form of NEPA report is not an environmental impact statement, which is the one people kind of think of to the extent that they think of anything. So, our sugar is expensive in a number of different ways. ROBINSON MEYER: We cant fight climate change, we cant decarbonize, we cant reach net zero with everyone having rooftop solar. Buenos Das Amrica Episodios Sobre lunes 3 julio 2023 Calendar julio 03, 2023 Autoridades en Maryland realizan un operativo para capturar al o los autores de un tiroteo masivo en Baltimore. When you go to natural history museums, you see dioramas of what the Carboniferous used to look like. Hydrogen is this important tool that were going to use in the industrial sector, maybe transportation sector, to decarbonize and replace fossil fuels in certain uses. And there are cities you can point to in the Sunbelt that have better permitting. We have very few pipelines that are hydrogen ready. And in fact, early in its life, it gave a very important loan to Tesla. So green hydrogen and lets just actually talk about hydrogen broadly as this potential tool in the decarbonization tool kit. Read the Article and Listen Online: Dog Talk. EZRA KLEIN: I feel like people think this is going to make things easier, but Im a writer, and its not necessarily quicker to write shorter. News feature stories look at science and technology, environmental issues, humanitarian topics and the African diaspora. The series provides teachers with tools to give basic instructions, tips, and learning strategies. The first is what is the process like to actually build new mines in the United States? Its like a form of writing that feels like it went extinct in the 1970s. We bring you reports from our correspondents and interviews with newsmakers from across the world. They got a lot of lithium and cobalt and so on, and theyve bought up a lot of the supply chain in other places for that. Because we really dont know and kind of rely on these large-scale, national energy system models to estimate what the uptake for these things may be, we dont really know how many people are going to take advantage of each tax credit. But if its taking you this much staffing and that much time to say something doesnt apply to you, maybe you have a process problem . I mean, you can make the argument from, again, triaging trade-offs to get decarbonization, but thats not the argument this bill made, right? Theres one other area, before we wrap up, of problem emerging, I think, that I want to talk about, which is basically the supply chain for all of this. How to Pronounce is a series to teach pronunciation for learners of American English. And these are tough issues. And NEPA gets a lot of attention here in California. I dont think that rule is strong enough. Now, it is learning that technology from Chinese companies and working jointly with them. ROBINSON MEYER: we should say. is saying, here is the years were going to invest to have certain infrastructure come online. Best VOA Podcasts (2023) - Player FM I think it could be stronger. And that was a good trade. And when you say, look, this environmental group is fighting this solar array, people are like, [SIGHS] environmental groups, you know? EZRA KLEIN: given the procedural work they have to go through. Google Podcasts The first is what is the process like to actually build new mines in the United States? Download free MP3s or listen online. When youre building big renewable energy projects, it takes some time. EZRA KLEIN: Let me not be coy on this because, as you say, Ive been covering this a lot. So the E.P.A. And theres a study thats very well cited by progressives from three professors in Utah who basically say, well, when you look at the National Forest Service, and you look at this 40,000 NEPA decisions, what mostly holds up these NEPA decisions is not like, oh, theres too many requirements or they had to study too many things that dont matter. Stories are written at the intermediate and upper-beginner level and are read one-third slower than regular VOA English. They kept it in court for years and years and years and years. Show Lex Fridman Podcast, Ep #388 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning - Jul 6, 2023 The issue is that anyone not just environmental groups, not just Democratic-aligned coalition members like Earthjustice can bring one of these lawsuits. Legally, we have no other choice because of the constraints the Supreme Court has placed on the EPA. Use VOA's Pronounce to correctly pronounce names and places quickly and easily. EZRA KLEIN: And then whats the I.R.A. Its a molecule. And now if were trying to cut carbon emissions in half by 2030 as we claim were going to do under the Paris Agreement, you know, lets say every single project we need to do was applied for today, which is not true those projects have not yet been applied for they would be approved under the current permitting schedule in 2027. That is I think, in some ways, what has become the U.S. approach to climate change and, to some degree, to the underlying economic thinking that drives even the I.R.A., where we want to just cut off these high-end mega warming scenarios.
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